Legislature(1999 - 2000)

03/04/1999 01:40 PM House FIN

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HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                                         
March 4, 1999                                                                                                                   
1:40 P.M.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
TAPE HFC 99 - 34, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 34, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 35, Side 1.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 35, Side 2.                                                                                                       
TAPE HFC 99 - 36, Side 1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault called the House Finance Committee                                                                          
meeting to order at 1:40 P.M.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault   Representative Foster                                                                                     
Co-Chair Mulder    Representative Grussendorf                                                                                   
Vice Chair Bunde   Representative Kohring                                                                                       
Representative Austerman  Representative G. Davis                                                                               
Representative J. Davies  Representative Williams                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Moses was not present for the meeting.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Dan Spencer, Chief Budget Analyst, Office of Management and                                                                     
Budget; Annalee McConnell, Director, Office of Management                                                                       
and Budget; David Teal, Director, Legislative Finance                                                                           
Division; Representative Lisa Murkowski; Representative                                                                         
Ethan Berkowitz; Janet Seitz, Staff, Representative Norman                                                                      
Rokeberg; Catherine Reardon, Director, Division of                                                                              
Occupational Licensing, Department of Commerce and Economic                                                                     
Development; Alison Elgee, Deputy Commissioner, Department                                                                      
of Administration; Sharon Barton, Director, Division of                                                                         
Administrative Services, Department of Administration; Janet                                                                    
Clarke, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                          
Department of Health and Social Services; Dwayne Peeples,                                                                       
Director, Division of Administrative Services, Department of                                                                    
Corrections; Percy Frisby, Director, Division of Energy,                                                                        
Department of Community and Regional Affairs; Theresa                                                                           
Tanoury, Administrator, Division of Family and Youth                                                                            
Services, Department of Health and Social Services; Bob                                                                         
Labbe, Director, Division of Medical Assistance, Department                                                                     
of Health and Social Services; Barbara Miklos, Director,                                                                        
Child Support Enforcement Services, Department of Revenue;                                                                      
Ken Bischoff, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                    
Department of Public Safety; Nancy Slagle, Director,                                                                            
Division of Administrative Services, Department of                                                                              
Transportation and Public Facilities; Karen Rehfeld,                                                                            
Director, Division of Administrative Services, Department of                                                                    
Education; Nico Bus, Director, Division of Administrative                                                                       
Services, Department of Natural Resources; Kathryn                                                                              
Daughetee, Director, Division of Administrative Services,                                                                       
Department of Law; Denny DeWitt, Staff, Representative Eldon                                                                    
Mulder; Mary Marchburn, Acting Director, Division of                                                                            
Administrative Services, Department of Commerce and Economic                                                                    
Development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
HB 68 An Act extending the termination date of the Board                                                                        
of Pharmacy to June 30, 2005; and providing for an                                                                              
effective date.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
 HB 68 reported out of Committee with a "do pass"                                                                               
recommendation and with a zero fiscal note by the                                                                               
Department of Commerce and Economic Development                                                                                 
dated 2/26/99.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
HB 77 An Act relating to the Joint Armed Services                                                                               
Committee, a permanent interim committee of the                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature; and providing for an                                                                                  
effective date.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 77 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with                                                                               
a "do pass" recommendation and with a zero fiscal                                                                               
note by the House Finance Committee.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 An Act making and amending capital, supplemental,                                                                        
and other appropriations, and appropriations to                                                                                 
capitalize funds; ratifying certain expenditures;                                                                               
and providing for an effective date.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further                                                                                        
consideration.                                                                                                                  
HOUSE BILL NO. 77                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
"An Act relating to the Joint Armed Services Committee,                                                                         
a permanent interim committee of the Alaska State                                                                               
Legislature; and providing for an effective date."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault requested Representative Murkowski to                                                                       
refresh members on changes made to the draft committee                                                                          
substitute. He pointed out that the in House Finance                                                                            
Committee fiscal note, expenses of the Commission would be                                                                      
covered through the Legislative Council's budget.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LISA MURKOWSKI noted that the proposed                                                                           
Commission would be started with newly appointed members in                                                                     
order that the Speaker of the House could appoint them.                                                                         
Additionally, the committee substitute has added a section                                                                      
with a 10-year sunset clause.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde MOVED to adopt work draft 1-LS0413\D,                                                                      
Cook, 2/24/99, as the version before the Committee.  There                                                                      
being NO OBJECTION, it was adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to report CS HB 77 (FIN) out of                                                                     
Committee with individual recommendations and with the                                                                          
accompanying zero fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it                                                                    
was so ordered.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CS HB 77 (FIN) was reported out of Committee with a "do                                                                         
pass" recommendation and with the House Finance Committee                                                                       
zero fiscal note.                                                                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 68                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
"An Act extending the termination date of the Board of                                                                          
Pharmacy to June 30, 2005; and providing for an                                                                                 
effective date."                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
JANET SEITZ, STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE NORMAN ROKEBERG, stated                                                                      
that the proposed legislation would extend the termination                                                                      
date of the Board of Pharmacy to June 30, 2005.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CATHERINE REARDON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF OCCUPATIONAL                                                                           
LISCENSING, DEPARTMENT OF COMMERCE AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT,                                                                    
noted that the Department of Commerce and Economic                                                                              
Development strongly supports extending the license of the                                                                      
Board of Pharmacy.  A follow-up audit scrutinized results                                                                       
and recommendations of the previous audit.  In doing so,                                                                        
they found that the initial audit had recommended                                                                               
eliminating photographs from the applications in order that                                                                     
discrimination would not be involved.  The Board, however,                                                                      
did not endorse that requirement.  They believe it is                                                                           
important to know who is being licensed in a pharmacy                                                                           
profession.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Foster MOVED to report HB 68 out of Committee                                                                    
with individual recommendations and with the accompanying                                                                       
zero fiscal note.  There being NO OBJECTION, it was so                                                                          
ordered.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 68 was reported out of Committee with a "do pass"                                                                            
recommendation and with a zero fiscal note by the Department                                                                    
of Commerce and Economic Development dated 2/26/99.                                                                             
HOUSE BILL NO. 100                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
"An Act making and amending capital, supplemental, and                                                                          
other appropriations, and appropriations to capitalize                                                                          
funds; ratifying certain expenditures; and providing                                                                            
for an effective date."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 6                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section (g & h)                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
ALISON ELGEE, DEPUTY COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                                
ADMINISTRATION, noted that these two sections were designed                                                                     
to provide funding to the Department for replacement of the                                                                     
boiler in the Fairbanks Pioneer Home.  The total cost of the                                                                    
boiler would be approximately $1.3 million dollars.  Section                                                                    
(g) will generate $700 thousand dollars from Pioneer Home                                                                       
receipts and Section (h) will generate approximately $500                                                                       
thousand dollars, with a reallocation of existing capital                                                                       
appropriations for maintenance to provide the difference.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked if there was a back up system                                                                    
if the boiler system should fail.  Ms. Elgee replied that                                                                       
there is an evacuation plan, which would include some                                                                           
residents being returned to family members for a short-term                                                                     
basis; those in convalescent would be transferred to Denali                                                                     
and there is an arrangement with a local hotel to relocate                                                                      
other residents in the home.  At this time, there are 100                                                                       
residents in that center.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
In response to a query of Co-Chair Therriault regarding the                                                                     
scope of the project, Ms. Elgee explained that the boiler                                                                       
would be replaced with a new design that would be capable to                                                                    
use either oil or gas.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked how old the facility was.                                                                        
Ms. Elgee replied that Fairbanks Pioneer Home was built in                                                                      
1967.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 20  -  MISCELLANEOUS CLAIMS                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SHARON BARTON, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                             
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION, noted that Section                                                                      
20 included miscellaneous claims for the Department in the                                                                      
amount of $15,640 thousand dollars.  She explained that                                                                         
these claims resulted from stale dated warrants presented                                                                       
for payment after the year-end books were closed.  The                                                                          
State's liability for paying these warrants extends                                                                             
indefinitely.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 22   -   RADIFICATIONS                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Sections 22(a, b, & c)                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barton continued, Section 22(a) is a request for                                                                            
telecommunication services in the amount of $32,269 dollars.                                                                    
She noted that sufficient authorization existed for the                                                                         
expenditure, although, insufficient revenues exist.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barton pointed out that Section 22(b) would provide for                                                                     
an adjustment associated with a computerization project for                                                                     
the Office of Public Advocacy in the amount of $19.02                                                                           
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Barton spoke to Section 22c request in the amount of                                                                        
$193,562 thousand dollars for central duplicating.  The                                                                         
facility was closed because revenues were falling short of                                                                      
keeping the operation open.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
She advised that Sections (a) & (b) would be funded by the                                                                      
Information Services fund (ISF) and Section (c) would be                                                                        
included as a general fund expenditure.  Ms. Barton advised                                                                     
that ISF is funded each year in the front section of the                                                                        
budget.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Bunde, Ms. Elgee explained                                                                        
that the central duplicating office was closed because the                                                                      
State was not meeting the expenses of operation.  The net                                                                       
request reflects the cost after incorporating all revenues                                                                      
received.  In order to continue the operation, the prices                                                                       
would have had to been raised to something that was well                                                                        
beyond what would have been charged in the public sector.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative G. Davis asked if the ISF had been calculated                                                                    
in the formula.  Ms. Barton replied that funds are available                                                                    
in the ISF.  When sufficient revenues are collected, it is                                                                      
rolled into the rate for the upcoming years.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault questioned why the front section of the                                                                     
budget was being used for program receipts.  Ms. Barton                                                                         
replied that the source of those receipts were generated                                                                        
from municipalities and sources other than state agencies.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Austerman, Ms. Barton spoke in                                                                    
more detail of the closure of the Central Duplicating                                                                           
Office.  There had been a decline in the print shop business                                                                    
over the last three years due to increased use of Internet,                                                                     
the Legislative interest in reducing the kinds of documents                                                                     
issued, and the availability of high-speed copiers.  For                                                                        
each month the operations were open, there were multiple                                                                        
fixed costs.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Elgee added that agencies were not requesting enough                                                                        
jobs to recoup the fixed costs.  The Court ordered that                                                                         
employees be rehired at salaries that they were paid at                                                                         
central duplicating.  At which point, the remaining 1/3                                                                         
unhired employees were then rehired and their salaries have                                                                     
been made whole.  The arbitrators ruling will be in effect                                                                      
until June 30, 1999.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 7  - Power Cost Equalization                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if there had been discussion to                                                                       
pro rate the subsidy down in order that the Department could                                                                    
finish the year with the amount budgeted.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
PERCY FRISBY, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ENERGY, DEPARTMENT OF                                                                       
COMMUNITY AND REGIONAL AFFAIRS, replied that the Division                                                                       
was funded at 85%.  He added that if the supplemental was                                                                       
not approved, there would be 43% of the 100% demand                                                                             
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked if at this time, the request                                                                     
had reached $1.7 million dollars.  Mr. Frisby advised that                                                                      
the $1.7 million dollar request had been reduced to $1.4                                                                        
million dollars due to reduced fuel costs in rural Alaska.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 11                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
JANET CLARKE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, pointed out that                                                                      
the Department had a couple of large supplemental requests                                                                      
this year and that the Department had worked diligently to                                                                      
provide reductions to off set the supplemental requests.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Sections 11(a, b, c, & d)                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke noted that these sections were included in the                                                                       
capital appropriations authorized for in FY99.  Program                                                                         
managers were requested to find areas which would not impact                                                                    
the program progress.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
11(a) - Emergency Medical Service equipment                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke noted that this section would defer some                                                                             
equipment purchases for the next 18 months.  Representative                                                                     
J. Davies asked what services would not happen with movement                                                                    
of these funds.  Ms. Clarke replied that some radios and                                                                        
small equipment that would not impact the Division would not                                                                    
be purchased until a later date.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Austerman, Ms. Clarke noted                                                                       
that in the FY2000 budget, there would not be a request for                                                                     
equipment replacement.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
11(b) -  Reduce Vital Statistics Archive Imaging                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke explained this subsection would provide a $20                                                                        
thousand dollar reduction for some vital statistics imaging                                                                     
replacement.  Last year, the Legislature authorized $340                                                                        
thousand dollars for Phase I of this project.  Phase II was                                                                     
to be requested in the FY2000 budget, however, it has not                                                                       
been authorized in the Governor's Capital Budget.  Some of                                                                      
the Phase I money had been set aside to purchase a server                                                                       
for Phase II.  The purchase of the server will be delayed.                                                                      
She explained that the Phase I portion of the project                                                                           
continues to be useable.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
11c   - Reduced Welfare Reform Information System                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke noted that over the last several years, the                                                                          
Legislature has authorized the Department funding to upgrade                                                                    
the Welfare Reform system.  At this time, the Department is                                                                     
spending more time on the Y2K concerns to be able to address                                                                    
eligibility problems.  The Department lost the contractor.                                                                      
At this time, there is $200 thousand dollars to be spent in                                                                     
the next 18 months, and has been categorized as a spending                                                                      
reduction.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies asked about the 18 months welfare                                                                      
reform upgrades.  Ms. Clarke emphasized that no information                                                                     
would be delayed.  Representative J. Davies asked if this                                                                       
would impact the State's ability to stay in compliance with                                                                     
federal law.  Ms. Clarke assured Representative Davies that                                                                     
this would not affect any federal law requirements.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
11(d) - Reduce Client Data Integration                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke stated that this project would establish a data                                                                      
warehouse within the Department.  The data warehouse allows                                                                     
the Department to match data between systems so duplication                                                                     
of clients can be caught.  The $25 thousand dollars, which                                                                      
has been, set-aside for contractors work will not be used.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11(e) - Formerly General Relief Medical                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke explained that Section 11(e) was a request for                                                                       
$120 million dollars for the catastrophic acute medical                                                                         
assistance (CAMA) program.  This is the program that the                                                                        
Legislature authorized last year to replace the General                                                                         
Relief Medical (GRM) Program.  The difference between the                                                                       
programs is that in CAMA, State funded abortions are not                                                                        
paid for.  Funds for this program expired two weeks ago.                                                                        
She referenced the back up material included in member's                                                                        
packets.  Ms. Clarke pointed out that pharmacy services are                                                                     
a significant portion of service rendered.  Many pharmacies                                                                     
have discontinued funding prescriptions because the program                                                                     
is out of money.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 34, Side 2).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
BOB LABBE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF FAMILY AND YOUTH SERVICES,                                                                     
DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, reiterated that                                                                       
the funds for that service have been exhausted.  The                                                                            
Division has had discussions with various hospitals, doctors                                                                    
and pharmacy groups about continued services.  The primary                                                                      
area of concern is the pharmacies because of the retail                                                                         
nature of that business.  He admitted that the request was                                                                      
large and that the Department has hopes to be able to adjust                                                                    
it to a lower amount.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault acknowledged that this supplemental                                                                         
request was justified, although, hoped that the amount could                                                                    
be adjusted down.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Austerman, Ms. Clarke                                                                             
explained that the original appropriation was $1.9 million                                                                      
dollars and that the supplemental request was for $1.2                                                                          
million dollars.  She pointed out that the GRM program which                                                                    
replaced CAMA, last year spent about $4.2 million dollars,                                                                      
including abortion services in the amount of about $1                                                                           
million dollars.  She emphasized that this program is the                                                                       
"payer of last resort" and that a straight money projection                                                                     
would be impossible.  Each line needs to be addressed                                                                           
separately.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Sections 11(f,g,& h) - Mental Health Grants                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke spoke to departmental reductions in the grant                                                                        
programs with intent to use them to offset proposed                                                                             
supplemental costs.  In a normal year, the Department would                                                                     
redistribute any grant funds not spent.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(f)  - Rural Services Grants                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke continued, Section 11(f) would be a reduction of                                                                     
$84 thousand dollars to an alcohol and drug abuse program in                                                                    
the rural service areas.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(g)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke stated that Section 11(g) would provide a series                                                                     
of reductions to various components in the mental health                                                                        
grant areas.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(h)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke continued that Section (h) indicates the total of                                                                    
Section (g) - $55 thousand dollars (psychiatric emergency                                                                       
services), $100 thousand dollars (chronically mentally ill)                                                                     
and $69.6 thousand dollars (seriously emotionally disturbed                                                                     
youth) from the reduction to community mental health grants.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(i)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke noted that Section (I) would provide for a $10                                                                       
thousand dollar reduction in public health nursing.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(j)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke continued, Section 11(j) would be a $20 thousand                                                                     
dollar reduction to the Bethel Healthy Families program.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(k)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke commented that Section 11(k) was a $20 thousand                                                                      
dollar reduction to an anticipated grant award to St.                                                                           
George.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(l)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke pointed out that the Department through Public                                                                       
Assistance awards grants for food banks and teen parent                                                                         
programs.  At the time of this review, there exist $30                                                                          
thousand dollars remaining in that account balance.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(m)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke spoke to the increase request of $656.9 thousand                                                                     
general fund dollars and $164.3 federal fund dollars                                                                            
contributing to the request of Section 11(m) for the                                                                            
subsidized adoption and the guardianship program.  The                                                                          
program provides subsidy to parents who enter into adoption.                                                                    
The program serves mostly children who have been in foster                                                                      
care and who have high special needs.  The requested funding                                                                    
will off set the care in their permanent homes.  This                                                                           
funding allows for the child to get out of the foster care                                                                      
system and into permanent homes.  She noted that back up                                                                        
information included in the packet explains how in the                                                                          
subsidized adoption program, the State pays less than in                                                                        
foster care.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
In response to Co-Chair Therriault, Ms. Clarke explained                                                                        
that care continues in the adoptive home until the child                                                                        
reaches the age of 18.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(n)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke spoke to Section 11(n) which would reduce the                                                                        
community developmental disabilities grants by $387 thousand                                                                    
dollars.  Co-Chair Therriault noted that he understood that                                                                     
recipients of that grant were "unsettled" with the proposed                                                                     
reduction.  Ms. Clarke reiterated that if this had been a                                                                       
normal budget year, the Department would have directed those                                                                    
funds out to the grantees.  Those funds are available                                                                           
because in the past, the Department has used some of that                                                                       
money to match federal Medicaid dollars which allows more                                                                       
developmentally disabled (DD) persons to qualify for the                                                                        
Medicare waiver program.  This year that was not required,                                                                      
as Medicaid had more money which allowed the State to serve                                                                     
an additional 60 people this year.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies spoke to Section 11(m) reminding                                                                       
members that the "qualified" children represented have at                                                                       
least four or more special needs.  He inquired the types of                                                                     
services needed for these children to help the prospective                                                                      
parents.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
THERESA TANOURY, ADMINISTRATOR, DIVISION OF FAMILY AND YOUTH                                                                    
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND SOCIAL SERVICES, stated                                                                      
that adoptive parents rely on this funding to help with the                                                                     
daily care of these children.  The services for the programs                                                                    
vary greatly and include services from respite care to                                                                          
therapy and counseling.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 11(o)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke advised that Section 11(o) would be withdrawn.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Therriault asked if at the end of the fiscal year,                                                                     
if there were excess Medicaid funds, would they be carried                                                                      
forward into the child care function.  Ms. Clarke explained                                                                     
that Medicaid is a cash system, based on when the bill is                                                                       
received, not when the service was performed.  If there are                                                                     
excess funds, they are lapsed at the end of the year.  If                                                                       
the State is short, the claims are paid and the claims are                                                                      
"pushed" to the next fiscal year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 20   - Miscellaneous Claims                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Clarke stated that Department of Health and Social                                                                          
Services request for miscellaneous claims was in the amount                                                                     
of $16,612 dollars to be used for six different claims.                                                                         
These are late bills received by the Department.  Three of                                                                      
the bills were for foster children who had medical needs.                                                                       
The largest items are to cover one of the reports performed                                                                     
under contract relating to DFYS and the problems in their                                                                       
offices.  There was money encumbered to pay those charges,                                                                      
but based on accounting rules, the Division of Finance would                                                                    
not allow carrying that encumbrance forward.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 10                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 10(a) - Marine Vessel Simulator receipts                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
KAREN REHFELD, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                             
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION, stated that Section 10(a)                                                                    
request was in the amount of $2.5 million federal dollar                                                                        
receipts to be used for replacing the marine vessel                                                                             
simulator at the Alaska Vocational Technical Center (AVTC)                                                                      
in Seward.  The Department is seeking authorization for                                                                         
these funds.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 10(b) - Foundation formula reduction                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld noted that Section 10(b) would be a reduction of                                                                    
$1.5 million dollars to the above program.  She referenced                                                                      
the memo from Deputy Commissioner Cross to Annalee                                                                              
McConnell, Director, Office of Management and Budget.  [Copy                                                                    
on File].  The number was revised to $4 million dollars.                                                                        
She explained that this was a transitional year to the new                                                                      
funding formula, and after review, an additional $2.5                                                                           
million reduction was found.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf asked if it was anticipated that                                                                     
additional monies would need to be placed into the summer                                                                       
school tutoring programs as a result of the new graduation                                                                      
requirements.  Ms. Rehfeld advised that the correspondence                                                                      
program is currently looking at restructuring their summer                                                                      
program to provide tutoring help to those kids that need                                                                        
additional assistance.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 10c   - Funding Change Source                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld stated that this would be a funding source                                                                          
change for the Vocational Rehabilitation Business enterprise                                                                    
program which serves Alaskans who are blind or severly                                                                          
disabled.  In the FY99 budget, the Department requested a                                                                       
funding source change to statutory designated receipts                                                                          
because of the contractual nature of the program.  Statutory                                                                    
designated program receipts would only allow them to access                                                                     
funds generated in the current year.  There are two revenue                                                                     
funds in the accounting system, federal and state receipts.                                                                     
This change would allow the business enterprise system to                                                                       
access those funds.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 20  - Miscellaneous Claims                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld noted that the Department requests $2,976                                                                           
dollars in miscellaneous claims to cover invoices which are                                                                     
over two years old.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 22  - Ratifications                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld stated that Section 22 would ratify the                                                                             
expenditures by the Department from Adak School District                                                                        
assets for legal services related to that closure.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder voiced concern with the issue of                                                                                
ratification's.  He suggested that it would appear that the                                                                     
State was spending money which was not authorized.                                                                              
Representative Grussendorf responded that issue must be                                                                         
determined on a case by case basis.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Rehfeld emphasized that was money had already been                                                                          
spent.  The Department used Adak School district funds on                                                                       
behalf of that district and did not have resources to pay                                                                       
the legal costs at that time.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 5                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(a) - Cook Inlet                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
DWAYNE PEEPLES, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                            
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS, explained that the                                                                         
Department had submitted a supplemental request for the Cook                                                                    
Inlet facility for staffing vacancies needed to assist and                                                                      
address overcrowding at that institution.  Due to the                                                                           
declining trend, the request has been modified.  He                                                                             
referenced a memo dated 3/03/99.  [Copy on File].  The                                                                          
request was reduced to $170 thousand general fund dollars.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(b) - Inmate Health Care                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples spoke to the Department's request in the amount                                                                     
of $500 thousand general fund dollars to address the                                                                            
"drastic" increase in cost for contract medical services and                                                                    
pharmaceutical supplies in FY99.  Pharmaceutical costs for                                                                      
HIV prescriptions have increased by 190% over the FY98                                                                          
budget.  Without this supplemental funding, the Department                                                                      
can not provide required minimal medical care necessary to                                                                      
support existing prisoner levels.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 35, Side 1).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 5c  - Alternative housing for May & June                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples continued, last year, the Department placed                                                                         
tents around the State to handle the high prison population.                                                                    
Due to declining populations and trends in the institution,                                                                     
the Department is requesting a modification of that request.                                                                    
The total requested amount would be $100 thousand general                                                                       
fund dollars.  The request would provide funding for two                                                                        
tents in Fairbanks, each of which would hold 20 inmates.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked why tents would be located in                                                                             
Fairbanks.  Mr. Peeples replied that the Fairbanks area has                                                                     
a history of peak prisoner population during the summer                                                                         
months.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(d) - Out-of-State contracts                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples stated that the Department is requesting $3,130                                                                     
thousand general fund dollars to cover transportation and                                                                       
per diem costs for contract prison services in Arizona.                                                                         
Last year's budget was determined, based upon an assumption                                                                     
of $45 dollars per day per bed; the cost of beds came in at                                                                     
$53.50 dollars for the first 853 inmates, with additional                                                                       
beds at $52.50 dollars.  The Legislature appropriated the                                                                       
lower rate as the Department was in the process of a                                                                            
competitive solicitation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples pointed out that last year, the Department                                                                          
requested two probation officers and that the Legislature                                                                       
provided funding for one officer.  Co-Chair Mulder asked                                                                        
where the Administrative Clerk position came from.  Mr.                                                                         
Peeples replied that a vacant PCN was hired to address the                                                                      
volume load in the Anchorage office.  All inmates going to                                                                      
Arizona are sent to the Anchorage central office, which                                                                         
tracks all packages for each inmate. He emphasized that                                                                         
there are approximately 30 prisoners per month that are                                                                         
being moved in and out of Arizona.  Arizona is currently the                                                                    
State's largest facility.  He emphasized that sentence                                                                          
lengths are getting shorter, and that some inmates are place                                                                    
at Arizona for only six to eight months.  He offered to                                                                         
provide further information regarding that number.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(e) - Transportation and Classification                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples commented that Section 5(e) was a general fund                                                                      
request in the amount of $365 thousand dollars, a                                                                               
combination of two requests.  The Department transports                                                                         
offenders among state facilities under delegation from the                                                                      
Department of Public Safety.  The request would provide                                                                         
funding to both departments under one umbrella.  The                                                                            
increased prisoner population levels have required that                                                                         
significant transports be accomplished, both in State and                                                                       
out-of-state by five Prisoner Transportation Officers.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(f, g & h)  - Existing CRC's                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(f)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples advised that the Department originally had not                                                                      
incorporated the unanticipated delays in the building of the                                                                    
Nome Culturally Relevant Community Residential Center (CRC).                                                                    
Due to the delays, more beds have been procured in the                                                                          
Anchorage area.  The new cost is $50 thousand dollars.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(g)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The Department issued an RFP to secure 30-40 new CRC beds at                                                                    
Nome with an emphasis toward culturally relevant services                                                                       
being provided.  An award was made, however, another bidder                                                                     
tied up the building permit issued by the City of Nome and                                                                      
then filed a protest.  The protest was lifted after the                                                                         
protester purchased the business of the successful bidder.                                                                      
The new beds will not be available before June 1, 1999.  The                                                                    
delay has increased the original delete to $480 thousand                                                                        
dollars.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(h)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples continued, the Department had delays in                                                                             
implementing culturally relevant program services at the                                                                        
existing Bethel Tundra Community Center and has a one time                                                                      
general fund delete of $50 thousand dollars to help offset                                                                      
supplemental requests.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples added that CRC contracts have been issued for                                                                       
services and due to the contract start date, a one-time                                                                         
delete of $35 thousand dollars is available to offset the                                                                       
supplemental request.  Mr. Peeples reiterated that savings                                                                      
were due to delays in opening.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder noted that a new program the Village                                                                            
Probation Safety Officer (VPSO) program had been added for                                                                      
parole and probation concerns.  Mr. Peeples replied that the                                                                    
location had not yet been defined, although, was brought                                                                        
into the Bristol Bay area.  At this time, there exists a                                                                        
draft contract, needing final negotiations.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked the consequences if the program did                                                                       
not go forward.  Mr. Peeples stressed that probation                                                                            
officers are currently managing greater workloads and that                                                                      
enhanced supervision in the small villages would be lost.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(I)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples spoke to the CRC offender supervision.  He noted                                                                    
that contracts had been issued for these services and due to                                                                    
the contract start dates, a one-time delete of $35 thousand                                                                     
dollars had been made available to offset the supplemental                                                                      
request.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 5(j)                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Peeples stated that the Department is requesting $750                                                                       
thousand dollars in correctional industry funds, separate                                                                       
from the general fund.  Under a work-training program, the                                                                      
prisoners develop products with money from the sales going                                                                      
into that account.  Money is withdrawn from the account to                                                                      
purchase materials to develop the products.  Previously, the                                                                    
Department made requests for funding through the Legislative                                                                    
Budget and Audit Committee (LBA).  Now requested funding                                                                        
must be received as an appropriation.  The account currently                                                                    
has $85 thousand dollars in it, although, the amount varies                                                                     
from day to day.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative J. Davies voiced support of LBA's continued                                                                      
authority to handle this account.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 12  - Insert Performance Bond Language                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
NICO BUS, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                        
DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, stated that Section #12                                                                        
would allow all the departments to utilize performing bonds                                                                     
to claim land left by the land use permitees.  He pointed                                                                       
out that this section would be revenue neutral.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 14  - Recorder's Office                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus informed members that the recorder's office                                                                             
generates revenue.  The office has been busy with                                                                               
refinancing mining claims and as a result, $5 million                                                                           
dollars revenue will be generated.  The requested amount is                                                                     
$92 thousand dollars to be used for increased workload.  The                                                                    
funding source is general fund program receipts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
In response to a question by Representative Bunde, Mr. Bus                                                                      
clarified that $35 thousand dollars of the request would be                                                                     
used for new film for mortgage companies, $30 thousand for                                                                      
personal services, and the remainder for miscellaneous                                                                          
costs.   He noted that member's files contained a detailed                                                                      
graph of this expenditure.  [Copy on File].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde asked if the volume was similar to that                                                                    
in FY94.  Mr. Bus replied that documentation has exceeded                                                                       
the FY94 level with three less staff working.  In FY94,                                                                         
additional part time staff was hired.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde addressed copying expenses.  He pointed                                                                    
out that the average size of copied documents slightly went                                                                     
up.   Mr. Bus replied that the number of pages increased by                                                                     
nearly 90,000 copies, which would account for raised supply                                                                     
costs.  He emphasized that the average number of pages has                                                                      
increased.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
In response to comments by Representative Bunde,                                                                                
Representative J. Davies stressed that this was a request                                                                       
for supplemental, indicating temporary positions.  Mr. Bus                                                                      
commented in the proposed FY2000 budget, the Department has                                                                     
requested seven new positions because of workload                                                                               
requirements. He recommended indicating an agreed maximum                                                                       
number of documents per employee; if that number is                                                                             
exceeded, then hiring a seasonal person.  If the workload                                                                       
increased, then staff would be hired and if the workload                                                                        
decreased, staff would be reduced.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder commented that an alternative would be to                                                                       
privatize the endeavor.  Mr. Bus replied that the Department                                                                    
has investigated that possibility.  He recommended further                                                                      
discussion should be addressed regarding concerns that the                                                                      
title companies have.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Representative Kohring supported the idea of privatization                                                                      
of the recorder's office.  Following comments by                                                                                
Representative Kohring, Mr. Bus indicated that the                                                                              
recorder's office generates more money than it costs the                                                                        
State to maintain.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman asked how far the Legislature had                                                                      
gone in the discussion to privatize these functions.                                                                            
Representative Kohring asked if the addition of the                                                                             
requested funds would increase the BRU beyond $90 thousand                                                                      
dollars.  Co-Chair Mulder believed it would not.  Mr. Bus                                                                       
replied that supplemental funding does not automatically add                                                                    
to the base.  He reiterated that it was frustrating for the                                                                     
Department not have this number connected to the workload.                                                                      
He reiterated that this issue should be a stand-alone                                                                           
allocation.  Representative Kohring suggested that such a                                                                       
proposal creates the pretense of a "yo yo" game of the                                                                          
budget.  He recommended just removing the requested amount                                                                      
from the $535 thousand dollar operating budget request.                                                                         
Co-Chair Mulder noted that the $535 thousand dollars was a                                                                      
straight general fund request and that the request before                                                                       
the Committee was general fund program receipts.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde pointed out that the recorder's office                                                                     
is not only a profit generator for the State but it is also                                                                     
a "hidden tax" vehicle.  It keeps the State in the business                                                                     
of making a profit off of someone who is refinancing their                                                                      
home.  The State is charging more than it costs.  He                                                                            
suggested that it would do a better service to the public to                                                                    
privatize the service.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde asked why there was an increase in                                                                         
charge-back fees.  Mr. Bus explained that the memo                                                                              
referenced addresses network costs.  The Department is                                                                          
attempting to work with Department of Administration.  The                                                                      
data processing charge back was computed on a number of                                                                         
terminals for the mainframe network.  Each department has                                                                       
been asked to contribute to those charges according to the                                                                      
number of employees using terminals.  The total cost in FY99                                                                    
was $23 thousand dollars.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 35, Side 2).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 22  - Ratifications                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bus spoke to the Department's fire suppression                                                                              
expenditure request the amount of $5.391 million dollars.                                                                       
He reiterated that the supplemental approved for 1998 was                                                                       
not sufficient to address the fire damage.  The proposed                                                                        
number is the final accounting for the Department.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder questioned the State's agreement with the                                                                       
feds.  Mr. Bus explained that the ultimate cost of the fire                                                                     
is born by the owner of the land.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DEBT SERVICE                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 9  - Debt Retirement Fund                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DAN SPENCER, CHIEF BUDGET ANALYST, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                     
BUDGET, noted that Alaska Housing Finance Corporation's                                                                         
(AHFC) original projection was about $9 million dollars to                                                                      
pay debt service for bonds being issued.  The current                                                                           
projection is an approximate $1.2 million dollar decrease in                                                                    
debt service for FY99.  For that reason, the general fund                                                                       
amount can be reduced.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
He continued, in Section 1 of the operating budget, there is                                                                    
a retro section for AHFC.  It is bringing the unused AHFC                                                                       
money for FY99 into the Debt Retirement Fund, which                                                                             
originally was appropriated to be used.  The operating                                                                          
budget must make sure that the AHFC dividend is taken into                                                                      
account.  The proposed supplemental request rests on that.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder suggested that if it was not used in the                                                                        
proposed allocation, then that amount would be used to help                                                                     
close the gap.  He questioned where in the budget the                                                                           
remaining balance of the dividend was located.  Mr. Spencer                                                                     
pointed out that in the front section of the operating                                                                          
budget, the AHFC dividend had been placed into retirement.                                                                      
Last year, the dividend was used for debt retirement.  He                                                                       
added that if the funding had not been used there, it would                                                                     
have required a general fund reduction.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
ANNALEE MCCONNELL, DIRECTOR, OFFICE OF MANAGEMENT AND                                                                           
BUDGET, replied that the $33 million dollars which was going                                                                    
to initially go for debt service, and it appeared that would                                                                    
be the full payment needed.  If the general fund                                                                                
appropriation is not reduced for FY99, the remainder of debt                                                                    
service will go into the general fund.  The supplemental                                                                        
wording makes it clear that the actual spending for FY99                                                                        
will drop by $1.143 million dollars, so that the expenditure                                                                    
level is brought down to meet the actual need of the debt                                                                       
service.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if this was denied, with an intent to                                                                     
reduce the overall supplemental by $5.2 million dollars,                                                                        
would it then have to be reduced by an additional $1.1                                                                          
million dollars.  He believed that the net result would be                                                                      
that the gap would be closed by $1 million additional                                                                           
dollars.  Ms. McConnell replied that if debt service is not                                                                     
brought down, an advantage would be missed of recognizing                                                                       
that the spending level was $1 million dollars less than                                                                        
that indicated on the books.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF ADMINISTRATION                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 22  - Ratifications                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder referenced the Department of                                                                                    
Administration's request for $193,563 dollar for the closure                                                                    
of the central duplicating station.  Mr. Spencer explained                                                                      
that those costs resulted from the shut down of that office.                                                                    
The shut down expenses were greater than the revenue that                                                                       
had been generated.  Mr. Spencer advised that settlement                                                                        
monies were not represented in this figure.  Ms. McConnell                                                                      
noted that the expenditures had been reduced from what was                                                                      
authorized.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked at what level of requested funding                                                                        
would reciprocate a letter to the presiding officer.  Ms.                                                                       
McConnell replied that historically, this process addressed                                                                     
would be through the supplemental.  She acknowledged that                                                                       
the books to date are not fully closed out.  The intent is                                                                      
that the Legislature ratify this in order that the State                                                                        
does not end up with audit exceptions.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF LAW                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SECTOIN 13  - Oil and Gas Litigation                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
KATHRYN DAUGHETEE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                         
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF LAW, advised that Section 13                                                                            
indicates moving $100 thousand dollars back into the budget                                                                     
as a result from case work not materializing from outside                                                                       
counsel.  She emphasized that there was not an off setting                                                                      
request for the Department's operating budget.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 20  - Miscellaneous Claims                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Daughetee stated that the Department has a $300 dollar                                                                      
request amount for an accounts payable received after the                                                                       
allocated payment time.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 15                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section (a & b)  - Alaska State Troopers                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KEN BISCHOFF, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVICES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC SAFETY, noted that Section 15 speaks to                                                                    
the Division of Alaska State Troopers.  Subsections (a & b)                                                                     
resulted from a change of budget structure which the                                                                            
Legislature implemented last year.  There is now a separate                                                                     
appropriation level set up for trooper detachments.  The                                                                        
request would reduce "other" components within the State                                                                        
Troopers by $200 thousand dollars and increase trooper                                                                          
detachments by that amount.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Section c   - AST Detachments                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bishchoff commented that Section c was a straightforward                                                                    
general fund request in the amount of $312.7 thousand                                                                           
dollars for completion this year.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman requested an itemization of the                                                                        
request.  Mr. Bischoff replied that the amount was comprised                                                                    
of $103 thousand dollars for academy costs, $112 thousand                                                                       
dollars for helicopter repair in Fairbanks, communication                                                                       
costs from combining the dispatch with the Department of                                                                        
Military and Veterans Affairs and an additional $63.1                                                                           
thousand dollars from trooper turnover.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 16  - Fish & Wildlife Protection                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bishchoff stated that Section 16 provided a technical                                                                       
amendment.  The Legislature has worked with the Department's                                                                    
Fish and Wildlife Division, to sell surplus vessels and                                                                         
planes, using the proceeds to purchase replacements.  Last                                                                      
year, it was allowed but was not classified as a capital                                                                        
project and therefore, it has a lapse date.  Section 16                                                                         
would retroactively designate it as a capital project.  Co-                                                                     
Chair Mulder noted that capital projects have a lapse date                                                                      
of five years.  He questioned why that amount of time would                                                                     
be needed.  Mr. Bischoff replied that selling used vessels                                                                      
is difficult and requires much energy.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked which vessels were being replaced.                                                                        
Mr. Bishchoff replied that to date one boat had been sold                                                                       
which realized $130 thousand dollars and that there are                                                                         
three 38' boats still need to be sold.  The capital budget                                                                      
plan contains a vessel replace schedule.  Co-Chair Mulder                                                                       
inquired if five years was needed.  Mr. Bischoff suggested                                                                      
that two years would be a reasonable time.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 20  - Miscellaneous Claims & Warrants                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Bishcoff stated that the Department also was requesting                                                                     
$793 dollars for a miscellaneous claim.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder requested more back up for Section 15c.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 17  - Child Support Enforcement                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MARY MARSHBURN, ACTING DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE                                                                     
SERVICES, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, discussed that more than                                                                       
80% of the Child Support Enforcement Division (CSED) budget                                                                     
comes from the federal government.  A portion of that                                                                           
federal money came from incentive payments.  The amount of                                                                      
those payments, which the division receives, is based upon                                                                      
the amount of money which the division collects on behalf of                                                                    
the obligor parent in public assistance cases.  The recent                                                                      
success of the Welfare Reform program has meant that there                                                                      
are fewer families receiving public assistance.  She                                                                            
emphasized that means less Alaska Temporary Assistance                                                                          
Program (ATAP) money collected by CSED for government.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
In the fall of 1998, CSED found that their projected ATAP                                                                       
collections would be less than projected.  That meant a                                                                         
decrease in federal incentive payments of $900 thousand                                                                         
dollars.  Ms. Marshburn translated that as CSED facing a                                                                        
$2.7 million dollar shortfall in the FY99 budget.  When that                                                                    
was discovered, the CSED Director, Barbara Miklos, cut all                                                                      
line items and maintained a 10% vacancy factor in CSED                                                                          
positions in an attempt to save money.  Ms. Marshburn                                                                           
suggested that action has become a double-edged sword. FY99                                                                     
expenditures were reduced for FY99.  The shortfall currently                                                                    
facing that division is $2.4 million dollars.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Marshburn continued, CSED will collect on behalf for the                                                                    
State for FY99 some $8.6 million dollars.  Of that $7.3 goes                                                                    
to Department of Health and Social Services, and the                                                                            
remainder goes into the general fund.  CSED is requesting                                                                       
supplemental funding in the amount of $880 thousand dollars.                                                                    
That money is eligible for a 2 for 1 federal match.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if additional authority was needed to                                                                     
expend federal funds.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA MIKLOS, DIRECTOR, CHILD SUPPORT ENFORCEMENT                                                                             
DIVISION, DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE, replied no, because in the                                                                     
original budget the Division had projected $3.5 million in                                                                      
incentives and had already added on the match.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Miklos spoke to the advantages and disadvantages of the                                                                     
new computer system.  The new computer can do electronic                                                                        
transfers, which helps to get monies in and out quickly.                                                                        
Eventually, it will help automate systems not capable in the                                                                    
old system.  At this time, there is still much work to do.                                                                      
She projected that it would take two years before the system                                                                    
will run smoothly.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SECTION 18                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(a & b)                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
NANCY SLAGLE, DIRECTOR, DIVISION OF ADMINISTRATIVE SERVCIES,                                                                    
DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION AND PUBLIC FACILITIES,                                                                             
commented that these two sections are basically the same, a                                                                     
fund source switch for the Anchorage International Airport                                                                      
capital project, terminal upgrade approved in the FY97                                                                          
Capital Budget.  Those funds were originally appropriated                                                                       
from the International Airport revenue fund and would be                                                                        
used to upgrade the terminal's electrical system.  Since                                                                        
that time, it has been determined that the system is old and                                                                    
non-Y2K compliant.  The federal government has indicated                                                                        
that they will assist in funding the project.  It is                                                                            
anticipated that there will be additional monies forthcoming                                                                    
in the FY2000 budget.  The switch would be in the amount of                                                                     
$1.051 million dollars from the International Airport                                                                           
revenue funds to federal receipts.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
In response to Representative Austerman, Ms. Slagle                                                                             
commented that costs would not be covered in rate                                                                               
development.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 18c  - Scope Change                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued, Section 18c would be a scope change.                                                                      
The appropriation was originally for the Anchorage                                                                              
International Airport south terminal ramp program.  It was                                                                      
determined that project could actually be included in the                                                                       
redevelopment project currently underway at the airport.                                                                        
The Department is requesting a name change to allow them to                                                                     
expand and do work on the north terminal.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Representative Williams commented that last year, the small                                                                     
airline companies asked to have a vote in what was occurring                                                                    
at the airport.  He asked if they were now in agreement.                                                                        
Ms. Slagle acknowledged that the capital budget items need                                                                      
to be presented to the Air Carriers Association for their                                                                       
approval.  She noted that this was on the agenda for the                                                                        
Executive Committee meeting scheduled on March 8th.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if it would be sufficient to include                                                                      
the item request in the reappropriation bill.  Ms. Slagle                                                                       
doubted that would be a problem.  Funding needs to be                                                                           
available by the end of session.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(d)  - Design & Engineering                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle noted that Section 18(d) would provide an                                                                            
increase of $100 thousand dollars general fund program                                                                          
receipts for the Division of Design and Engineering                                                                             
services.  The funding would be used to assist in the area                                                                      
of utility inspections and administrative costs related to                                                                      
utility permits.  Over the past few years, the area has                                                                         
continued to increase in demand because of all the activity                                                                     
in communications technology.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
In previous years, the Department was able to deal with the                                                                     
problem by transferring numbers within, which can no longer                                                                     
be done because of the way the budget structure was                                                                             
provided.  She emphasized that flexibility for moving money                                                                     
internally no longer exists.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
(Tape Change HFC 99 - 36, Side 1).                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(e & f) - Harborview Development Center                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle noted that these subsections are both related to                                                                     
the Harborview Development Center.  One is the allocation                                                                       
level and the other is the appropriation level.  The                                                                            
Department is requesting $235 thousand dollars in general                                                                       
funds for maintenance.  The Department of Health and Social                                                                     
Services maintained that area.  Over the last several years,                                                                    
they have been in the process of closing it down.  When the                                                                     
FY99 budget was submitted, the Department had eliminated all                                                                    
the money that supported the center.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle continued, last session, the Department of                                                                           
Corrections offered a bill which allowed them to use                                                                            
Harborview for an alcohol and drug therapy center.  That                                                                        
bill did not pass.  Consequently, there was not money in                                                                        
either the Department of Corrections or the Department of                                                                       
Health and Social Services budget to maintain the facility.                                                                     
The Department of Transportation and Public Facilities was                                                                      
handed the facility to maintain, although, had no money to                                                                      
do that either.  There was an agreement made between the                                                                        
City of Valdez and the State, that the State maintains the                                                                      
facility for the year, because it now houses the City                                                                           
Hospital.  The agreement outlined that the State would                                                                          
provide up to $265 thousand dollars to maintain the                                                                             
facility.  The Department was able to reduce that amount to                                                                     
$235 thousand dollars from the original amount.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle noted that it is a State owned facility and that                                                                     
the City of Valdez is using a portion of it as their                                                                            
hospital.  The City of Valdez is providing for costs over                                                                       
the $265 thousand dollars as agreed upon.  She emphasized                                                                       
that Department of Transportation and Public Facilities can                                                                     
not absorb these costs.  The agreement between that City and                                                                    
the State runs through the end of June 1999.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder asked if there was an ongoing agreement with                                                                    
the City of Valdez.  Ms. Slagle replied that the agreement                                                                      
will lapse this year.  Discussion continues between the                                                                         
State and the City.  Co-Chair Mulder observed that the                                                                          
Valdez had intended to build a hospital and then decided to                                                                     
put it in the Harborview facility.  The cost is greater now                                                                     
than it would have been if it were a separate facility. Ms.                                                                     
Slagle noted that the $235 thousand dollars would cover                                                                         
maintenance and fuel costs, snow removal, electrical costs                                                                      
and contract repairs for the building.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 18(g)                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle stated that Section 18(g) was a reduction to                                                                         
measurement and standards in the amount of $364 thousand                                                                        
dollars.  She explained, during last session, HB 404 passed,                                                                    
which gave the Department authority to collect out-of-state                                                                     
vehicle permits on trucks.  The Department has found that a                                                                     
large number of the truckers were registering their vehicles                                                                    
with the Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV) rather than                                                                           
purchasing a permit from Department of Transportation and                                                                       
Public Facilities and consequently, less revenue was                                                                            
collected than expected.  She suggested that this could                                                                         
offset other requests.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Representative Bunde asked if the recreational vehicle (RV)                                                                     
rentals were considered commercial rentals.  Ms. Slagle                                                                         
thought they were not.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Section 18 (h & i) - Receipt Shortfalls                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Slagle pointed out that Sections (h & i) were reductions                                                                    
to the highways and aviation budget and program receipts                                                                        
specific to the Title 17 regulations which have not yet been                                                                    
formulated.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder mentioned the Taylor Highway.  Ms. Slagle                                                                       
noted that the Department of Transportation and Public                                                                          
Facilities was not plowing those roads.  An agreement has                                                                       
been made with some mining companies to open a portion of                                                                       
the highway in order to bring in fuel needed by the miners.                                                                     
Co-Chair Mulder asked how much would it cost to open the                                                                        
highway.  Ms. Slagle replied that just to open the Taylor                                                                       
Highway would cost $145 thousand dollars.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
UNIVERSITY OF ALASKA                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf noted that the University of                                                                         
Alaska was requesting $7 million dollars for the Arctic                                                                         
Research Center.  He asked if they were planning to reduce                                                                      
student services.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
DENNY DEWITT, HOUSE FINANCE COMMITTEE STAFF, REPRESENTATIVE                                                                     
ELDON MULDER, read a memo from the Statewide Office of                                                                          
Budget and Institutional Research regarding that concern.                                                                       
[Copy on File].                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Representative Grussendorf commented that the University is                                                                     
claiming a net zero by taking $3.5 million dollars from                                                                         
student tuition.  He noted that he would support research                                                                       
but recommended that it not be taken from student tuitions.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Mulder understood that the University was                                                                              
projecting $3.5 million dollars less receipts from student                                                                      
tuition.  Mr. DeWitt understood that the net zero figure was                                                                    
achieved by taking from two unrelated accounts, neither                                                                         
which have received anticipated receipts.  They have                                                                            
projects from another area which appear to be about the same                                                                    
amount, so they have distributed a net zero.  Mr. DeWitt                                                                        
pointed out that these are all non-general fund issues.  He                                                                     
concluded that the net zero was a mystery.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Representative Austerman commented that $7 million dollars                                                                      
would be coming from grants.  Co-Chair Mulder pointed out                                                                       
that the total spending requested from the University of                                                                        
Alaska has increased but the general funds have been                                                                            
reduced.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
HB 100 was HELD in Committee for further consideration.                                                                         
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
The meeting adjourned at 5:25 P.M.                                                                                              
H.F.C. 25 3/04/99                                                                                                               

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